311Transistor311 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Ron is a wise man, which is why I supported him 100%. A shame his wisdom was ignored...

ngonea (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

prosvjeta - your are so right and ppl do not realize the interest paid on mortgages is going to pay back loans for ww2 and Iraq and all the gov war machine adventures will be payed by the same method "USURY" by the coming generations still yet unborn, if we do not wakeup and change the system, We just witnessed Paulson and Bernanke borrow money (so called bailouts) for ww3 that they are working very hard to start! They have done nothing with the T.A.R.P. to help the working ppl. WHY?

abcrane (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I will add, much of humanity is "stuck" in a bicameral (split-brain) simpleton consciousness. Their brains cannot process the gray areas and they are prone to "good vs. bad" mentality--and they will always produce imaginary enemies. They exist in all races, ages, genders, and countries. It is "evolutionary jetlag" and we must be patient. Ron Paul has evolved, Bush has not. A bicameral mass has voted in a bicameral leader.

abcrane (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Buckminster Fuller talked/wrote about "livingry" vs. "killingry"--and shifting the economy from war technology to sustainable technology (green homes, green transportation, green fuel etc) Capitalism is an adequate vehicle for both paths, it is up to us to choose "livingry". Communism/Socialism can also be an effective vehicle--but a lot less effective and more oppressive. Consume smart--save the world!

szililolabu (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

1. i understand the evils of central banks.2. I've seen zeitgeist.3. Central banks are all gov't institutions or government sanctioned institutions, right? They are not the result of free markets. Free markets would result in competing currencies, if one currency were regularly debased to the detriment of the population.4. Perhaps you were being dramatic by saying "no difference between capitalism and communism". Communism is more oppressive and damaging to more people than capitalism.

prosvjeta (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

...p.s.watch zeitgeist addendum! the only thing that is not explained there is: how ineterest suck in the liquidity out of the system (real economy) to the elite which has extremly higher interest-earnings then interest-charges.

prosvjeta (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

and at the end those guys win, acquire everything (state institutions, gov., media, churches, food) and deprive you all of your property. you need to learn about "money mechanics" to ...see how pointless it is to discuss about communism and capitalism, 'cos they are both children of monetarismus (the main difference is: who decide how the loand money is to be spent, state or active participants)!...

prosvjeta (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"...you save, you build capital, you create wealth, i see nothing wrong with!..."i have nothing against it, but it is not the end of the story. you've described the part of capitalist system which is called "real economy" (those are god guys). but in capitalism there is one (private) participant (central bank) who has the authority to provide the system with something you need to exchange goods and services, which is called money, so they have a god-like position....

szililolabu (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I am supporting free market trade. Maybe you define capitalism as something different from that, in which case i agree with you. First good answer i've gotten. The rest was just wishful thinking and Che Guevara idealists.But the basic idea that you save, you build capital, you create wealth, i see nothing wrong with!But do we agree that the ills you have mentioned are the result of gov't intervention not unfettered free markets?

prosvjeta (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

pardon!that means how interests SUCK IN the money from 90% of people to the richest 10%