lizard218 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

One last note. Even though I don't know much about other methods of music I wasn't trying to say that ours is the only legitimate one. Score was just an easier way of referring to a method involving pitch and rythm (and usually dynamics), but now I do realize that wasn't very good or accurate.

lizard218 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Also excuse me for my lack of knowledge of eastern/third world music styles. I've never really studied it yet.

lizard218 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I'm sorry. I did not consider ear learning, which is used for pitch, technique, dynamics, and rhythm. That sure was stupid and ignorant of me. In a free universal definition that I would use, I should include ear. When I used the term "universal" earlier I meant universal among the notes used on western instruments though, by the way. I just now decided I would call tab with use of ear music, but still the tablature in its basic self with no other variables is not music in my opinion.

lizard218 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

My definition is not always the same. Overall I would say the sound is music, and the score is music. Depending on the situation I may interpret music as including both, or one or the other. In the way the first comment used the term "musical" I was interpreting it the way as I described earlier, thats why I went into so much detail on that opinion. I don't find much wrong with tab along with the staff. The tablature I reffered to was the kind that stands on its own that you look up on Google

gdkzen (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Keep in mind, also, that the majority of the musical world does not fit within the definitions of western music, with its clef and staff. There is nothing that makes western music more legitimate than other music.

gdkzen (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I once listened to a Max Roach interview when he talked about getting away from the written score because music is sound, not notes on a page. I couldn't agree more. Having learned to read music at a young age, I can say that the ability to use your ear is a much more elusive and important quality, especially in Jazz. I'm no fan of tablature, for the reasons you specified. I do, however, believe tablature has a place alongside a score to indicate fingerings.

troncea (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

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lizard218 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I understand that others have a different definition of music, like that music is simply an intelligent collection of sound for purposes of pleasure and mood. I respect that. I'm just more critical with my definition, so we can agree to disagree.

lizard218 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

The reason why I don't consider reading tab as pure music is not simply because I look down on those that use it. The sound portion of music is most basically composed of three definions: pitch, timing(rhythm), and dynamics/techniques. Tab shows you where you put your fingers and what techniques to use. Music score gives notes (pitch), not instrument-specific fingering. Pitch is universal among instruments, and so is music score (in most cases, octaves may differ).

lizard218 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I think we're just not on the same page on our definition of music. In that comment I was interpreting it as more of theory and reading score than the sound itself.